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  News: Recent warning from French President about certain practices of JWs.

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  here's the link in french.

  below that is the link to the google translation.

  can someone help with a better translation?http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/politique/le-classement-atypique-des-temoins-de-jehovah-par-l-ump_981061.html.

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  jean-luc picard

  Reading up a bit now, aparently the jws took the publisher to court for defamation ( and lost). The author, Nicolas, gave witness, and he said that the jws produced Nicolas sister and father to witness against him.

  It was the last time he saw them.

  The most important point made, was that the 40000 children of jws in France, are not allowed to make their own decisions but are brought up according to the ideas of their parents and are refused access to outside information that may help them have a more balanced view or to relativise the information given by the jws

  I will try and find out a little more of what he wrote in his book.

  Its starting to sound interesting.

  jlp
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  News: Recent warning from French President about certain practices of JWs.

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. friends

  here's the link in french.

  below that is the link to the google translation.

  can someone help with a better translation?http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/politique/le-classement-atypique-des-temoins-de-jehovah-par-l-ump_981061.html.

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  jean-luc picard

  The President is not the French President but the President of Miviludes.

  The miviludes is a gouvernment agency which observes religious sects

  and is committed to garantee respect for republican values and fundamental rights. The UMP is a political party.The daily Miviludes aims to prevent as many of the risks inherent in certain practices harmful to freedom, physical and mental integrity and dignity of man, found in certain religious sects.

  The Jehovahs witnesses have , over several years, been pursuing the miviludes in justice to try and force them to take off their website , under the heading, " Be informed and act", extracts from a book by an ex JW , Nicolas Jacquette, entitled, Nicolas 25 years old, escaped from the jehovahs witnesses.

  The actual court decision is typically long and legally worded, but, in a nutshell, the jws lost. So now they are appealing before the highest court possible ( God apart of course) the European court of justice.
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  "temporary enjoyment of sin?"....why does it have to be temporary??

  by oompa in

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  i just read this phrase on a thread about the 7-15 wt and how shunning of family is so important....it just made me laugh.....some sins feel so damm good....so why do they have to be temporary?.....i am starting a revolt....we need permanent enjoyment of sin!!!!!!

  !.....hahah....see i made myself laugh....needed that......oompa.

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  jean-luc picard

  I'll sign your petition.
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  This Years Memeorial and MY heartbreak

  by PSacramento in

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  so...this years memorial came and went.. on saturday my mom called to invite my wife, myself and my two little girls to the memorial on sunday, i said thank you but said that we won't be going.. on sunday my older sister called inviting us also.. we didn't go, since my eldest daughter asked about it, i explaine dit to her and asked my wife and her if they wanted to do it at home and they said yes.. so after dinner, we all partook of our lord's sacrifice and i explained to my daughters how the taking in of christ's body and blood is symbolic for become one with christ and god.. we always remember christ and his sacrifice and last meal whenever we eat and "say grace" but, becuase of the whoel memorial meal thing, we decided to do a little more.. i read from luke and john.. it was very nice, very special.. then this morning at 8:30 am my mom calls and reams me for 40 min over the phone.. why anyone would think that i or anyone else would want to be a part of an organization that fills people with som much venom and spit, is beyond me.. she basically said that she gives up on me, that i am taken by satan, that satan is working through me and leading me and tha her heart is borken for my little girls.. my mother.... my heart is broken, there is a pain in my gut....

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  You mustn't turn your back on them. However they may turn their back on you.

  That is the difference between the Borg psuedo christians and us......unfortunately.
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  This Years Memeorial and MY heartbreak

  by PSacramento in

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  so...this years memorial came and went.. on saturday my mom called to invite my wife, myself and my two little girls to the memorial on sunday, i said thank you but said that we won't be going.. on sunday my older sister called inviting us also.. we didn't go, since my eldest daughter asked about it, i explaine dit to her and asked my wife and her if they wanted to do it at home and they said yes.. so after dinner, we all partook of our lord's sacrifice and i explained to my daughters how the taking in of christ's body and blood is symbolic for become one with christ and god.. we always remember christ and his sacrifice and last meal whenever we eat and "say grace" but, becuase of the whoel memorial meal thing, we decided to do a little more.. i read from luke and john.. it was very nice, very special.. then this morning at 8:30 am my mom calls and reams me for 40 min over the phone.. why anyone would think that i or anyone else would want to be a part of an organization that fills people with som much venom and spit, is beyond me.. she basically said that she gives up on me, that i am taken by satan, that satan is working through me and leading me and tha her heart is borken for my little girls.. my mother.... my heart is broken, there is a pain in my gut....

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  I also have had the:

  "your breaking my heart...."

  I cry and cry...." etc

  from my mother.

  This has made me feel guilty in the past, because, being normal, I dont want to hurt my mother.

  I am just starting to come to terms with the fact that I must give up on her.

  She cannot hold a different view from the Borg. Its too late for her.

  And there is no way on this earth that I will put a foot inside a KH again, for anything.

  So its an impasse. It is very sad, but I cannot win her from them, and so I must go on without her.

  I think it is the same for you. Its just hard accepting it.
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  I've been sad all my life since my parents got into the JW's

  by Star tiger in

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  these evil manipulative b*****s have ruined any normal life i could have had, are there any other people that have shared the same experience, my wife does not understand as she has had nothing to do with this evil cult, i welcome your comments!!

  thankfully my wife puts up with me but she will never understand!!!.

  star tiger.

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  jean-luc picard

  Hello star tiger.

  My wife is similar to yours, in that she can never fully understand the effect that it still has on me, and that dispite 15 years on the outside.

  That is why I joined this forum, which helps me to rationalise certain things ( relatives still in etc) and that in turn has helped with my wife. I can spout off here, instead of to her.

  On the practical side, maybe certain books or videos which explain the effects of cults on people may help her to understand better.

  Good luck with your struggle.

  As others have said: you're not alone.

  jlp
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  How many received the memorial invitation?

  by IMHO in

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  how well is this territory being covered?.

  how many on here (active jws excluded) received an invitation?.

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  None for me, but theres still time

  They forgot last year too.
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  Snubbed big time last night.

  by watersprout in

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  jean-luc picard

  An expression comes very often to mind now:

  " In the last days ...... "having no natural affection".

  It is not natural to act the way they do. It is rather jdubs who have no natural affection.

  As you so rightly said: you can see the uneasyness and even the contempt and hatred.

  None of that is normal. They must feel really bad inside.
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  How many times has the end of the world been prophesied?

  by jean-luc picard in

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  i found this page very informative.. .

  i dont know if it has already been posted.. .

  http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm.

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  I found this page very informative.

  I dont know if it has already been posted.

  http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm

  Our JW friends are right there near the bottom of the page.

  Follow the links too like:

  http://www.religioustolerance.org/witness8.htm

  and learn the doctrine of TEOTWAWKI
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  'necessary family business'...just what is it?

  by Aussie Oz in

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  (prompted in part by the post on the latest wt reinforcing shunning).. say a child has occasional, not regular, contact with a d/f parent.

  the child later gets married, is inviting the parent seen as ''necessary family business''?.

  if a wedding is not, then what is?.

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  jean-luc picard

  Sorry, helping her.

  I must learn how to edit posts.

  jlp